Jummabella Pinkwater, Madame Ovary ([info]caracola) wrote,
@ 2008-09-28 10:41:00
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More on diapers
Went to our first elimination communication meet-up yesterday morning. Most of the new people there had really tiny babies. I don't know why it took me so long to find other people in the area who do EC. It was so hard for me to figure out HOW to do it when Xavi was really little. Now he's getting close to six months and I may have missed the window. The leader of the group was encouraging, though she directed a lot of her attention to the people with newborns. I tried to ask a lot of questions but I'm beginning to realized I'm just not much of a group person. I'd much rather meet up with an individual for coffee than try to have a conversation with 6 people I don't know. Maybe I'm socially anxious or something. But I digress.

I am newly re-interested in using cloth diapers for Xavi and getting a good EC thing going. Here are my reasons:

(1) The accoutrements are so much cuter. Soakers, woolies, cutie diaper covers, snappis... Purely aesthetic, but style is important, and it gives me a great excuse to be crafty.

(2) We've long worked out the ecological and economical implications of using disposables over cloth. For us, the cloth diapers with the diaper service are poor quality and Xavi got rashes.

Using Fuzzibunz or Bum Genius or any other pocket diaper or all-in-one was close to impossible because we don't have a washing machine. Three loads of double (or even triple) wash diapers a week meant (wash $1.50 x 6) + (dry $2.00 x 3) = $15. The diaper service cost about that, plus the cost of covers. Disposables cost less than that.

The carbon footprint for all that water + gas to get to a laundromat (because ain't no way I can do that much laundry in our one-washer 15-unit building four flights below our apartment with a 22 lb baby who I can't leave alone upstairs and who is really hard to carry up and down over and over) plus the cost of it all was just not making sense. Because we rarely drive, we live in a fairly energy-efficient small one bedroom apartment, and we don't consume excess amounts of water, we figured we could feel okay about using disposables.

The thing is, I know they'll sit in a landfill until kingdom come and there's a lot of crap that goes into making them, and the process of making plastics isn't exactly eco-friendly. That still bothers me. Mostly, the fact that dioxins and gross diaper gel are right on Xavi's tush kind of skeeves me out.

So here's a possible solution: If we use plain old trifold cloth diapers and wash them ourselves twice a week, the cost is $7 plus the diapers, which we'll need to invest in. And with better quality, Xavi probably won't get a rash.

(3) I've basically taught Xavi to poo and pee in his pants. Babies have an awareness of when they soil, and a natural tendency to not "soil the nest". Instead of learning to be aware of their potty cues and working with them, we teach them to ignore their natural instincts with diapers. Some babies don't protest sitting in it. Some don't protest because of the new-fangled disposable diaper they're sitting in, which wicks away moisture so well that they just don't feel it! Some babies hate to sit in moisture, and I'm hoping Xavi will once again be that kind of baby. If he's more aware of it, he's more likely to let me know when he's gotta go. He already has cues, I just have to pay more attention to them. (It's the peeing that's hard for me to get. The pooing I can recognize because he's obvious. But I never know when he's peeing or going to pee. That's where #4 comes in.)

(4) Diaper free time will be easy for us. I plan on spending a lot more time with a bottomless Xavi when we're at home. This way I can pay more attention to his cues. And start with "psssssssss"ing him every time he goes.

So, in short, we need a baby potty (because I just don't have the wrist power to hold my baby over the toilet or a bowl now that he's gynormous) and some good quality cloth diapers.

I'm really excited to know some folks who do this, who I can sit down with and get some pointers. I've got at least two friends on my FList who do it, too, and love it. I just hope Xavi isn't too old.


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[info]breathbox
2008-09-28 06:42 pm UTC (link)
there are some pretty awesome prefolds and flats...i use fitteds and wool covers but i've lately been contemplating switching to prefolds or flats.

im not sure i'd know how to fold them and snappi/pin them.

i can always do the trifold in a cover thing, i guess...

with marin (way back then) i used contour diapers and velcro covers in cotton and wool. contour diapers are cut to fit covers and dont need to be folded or pinned...

i pretty much fell dead in love w/ fitted diapers, but you're right...you'd have to wash and rinse them a lot...

with prefolds you can buy a ton and wash every few days...they're more affordable and easier to wash, i hear.

i dont think its ever too late to switch to cloth...

i kind of do EC w/ ocean, but really its just waiting for him to look like he's going to poo and then i whisk him up and run him to the potty...the only thing i notice when he's going to pee (and it isnt every time) is that he gets the shivers...haha.

i dont cue him to poo either. i dont really know much about EC, really, except that its a lot easier to flush the toilet than it is to clean toddler poo off of a diaper.

have you thought about getting one of those potty rings for xavi so you can sit him up by himself on the toilet seat?

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[info]caracola
2008-09-28 11:52 pm UTC (link)
I've been debating between getting one of those baby bjorn potties that's freestanding or a potty seat for the toilet. I think I'll eventually get a potty seat when he can sit up better unassisted...

If we had our own washer it wouldn't be that much of an issue--my sis even offered us 25 bum genius dipes, so it would have been free! but man, that laundry!!

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[info]organfailure
2008-09-28 07:14 pm UTC (link)
I think this sounds like an excellent plan. Plus, the tri-folds come in handy for all sorts of other things :)

Xavi is closing in on the window, but I think he has the distinct advantage of already being aware of his bowel-movements and sound association. Even if it's a loose one, at least it's an association. You're not having to undo 6 months of teaching him to be completely passive about his BMs. I think peeing will just be another extension of that.

The Baby Bjorn Little Potty is a big hit among the EC crowd. We have one, but Evelyn doesn't like it too much. She'll only use it if she really HAS to go, otherwise when her feet touch the floor she MUST DO STAND-UPS OMG STAND-UPS. I'm trying to ease her into it, but that's going to be one of our things to overcome.

Even just hanging out with a cloth diaper if you keep a hand or finger over his crotch is enough to tell his patterns.

Most babies, as I understand it, will pee while they nurse or right after. As well as immediately after waking up. Right after waking up is an excellent time to try and catch something. That's where had our first successes - and I think that's when she connected the sound with motion. I don't know what "late starters" do, but we spent six weeks doing the sound first before I started trying to catch anything with the cue.

For diaper covers, may I suggest Bummis Super Brites? Cheap and oh so hardy. They also have leg gussets, which contained many a blow out in our early days :)

Plus they are BAD ASS:



HURRAY FOR EC! :D

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[info]caracola
2008-09-29 10:42 pm UTC (link)
Those are super cute!!! I've thought about maybe trying to make some covers, but I'm not sure how cost effective that will be. I like the double gusseted thing on the bummis...

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[info]thesaturdaygirl
2008-09-28 07:25 pm UTC (link)
6 months is not too late to start. look at the forums on mothering.com -- there are plenty of success stories there. we started when wren was itty-bitty, the took a hiatus until she was closer to 4 months and we're having great success.

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[info]caracola
2008-09-29 10:43 pm UTC (link)
That's encouraging to hear! I need to hear a couple success stories! Glad to hear things are going so well with Wren. Your posts about your stash have been particularly inspiring for me, because I am a sucker for crafty baby butt covers. !

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[info]caracola
2008-10-07 06:31 am UTC (link)
p.s. I was just browsing this site looking for wall decals for our living room, and I came across the image on your icon! It was really weirding me out until I realized where I'd seen it before.

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[info]tableforfour
2008-09-28 08:43 pm UTC (link)
so you're thinking old school trifold with a cover right?
I have some larger plastic pants type covers. if you want them you can have them and i'll bring them wednesday. they're brand new.

What kind of potty are you looking for too because I have a, used maybe 4 times, little potty you're welcome to have. we have 2. it makes music when they go, but you can turn it off...it' this one actually:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5420744

let me know on that too, it's yours.

my other idea was something like this:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=8205810

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